So I stepped in and provided the answers. I soon found out that he was not interested in answers but quickly dismissed my evidence as hearsay and continued asking for more evidence.
I have no reservation in providing answers to people that are genuine seekers of truth, but for people who start by throwing up unsubstantiated arguments without doing a little fact checking I normally move past. I normally justify this course of action by following the words of Christ.
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." Mathew 7:6
Here Jesus encourages us not to waste our time debating with people who are only going to ignore or trample our prayerfully considered responses. However this is not the only way to treat this argument, so this time I am adopting of a more apologetics approach hoping that God will reward my diligence.
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defence to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 1 Peter 3:15
I believe that Christians need to be prepared to defend against the arguments of this world and destroy anything that sets itself up against the knowledge of God. To do this we must study the word of God and understand the message of Love that God has given us.
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 1 Corinthians 10:4-5
So here goes.
The Bible is the claim, @ppsummersby, not the evidence. Why do you believe the Bible is true? @bob_hutchinson— NooYawk Atheist (@reasonandlogic) April 2, 2016
can you consider them credible evidence of anything? And all your “evidence” is from the Bible—nothing outside@ppsummersby @bob_hutchinson— NooYawk Atheist (@reasonandlogic) April 2, 2016
1) Non or extra biblical evidence to support the gospel writers
They are extensive so I wont make a comprehensive list, for a comprehensive list, here and here
Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD), "the greatest historian" of ancient Rome
Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), court historian for Emperor Vespasian:
Pliny the Younger, Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112 AD:
The Jewish Talmud, compiled between 70 and 200 AD:
The bible is a collection of eyewitness accounts, these accounts have been proven to be accurate over and over again.
2) The disciples of Jesus themselves wrote all but one of the gospel accounts, they were eyewitness to the events. The gospel and new testament authors were there, they all claim to have met Jesus.but it’s nonconfirmable and unfalsifiable, so it’s evidence of nothing. @ppsummersby @touchinglivestv— NooYawk Atheist (@reasonandlogic) April 2, 2016
And Mark was written first, with the others expanding on or changing it. They disagree on major details. How@ppsummersby @bob_hutchinson— NooYawk Atheist (@reasonandlogic) April 2, 2016
This is just bad history, the first book of the new testament was actually a letter written by Paul. The book of Galatians written in 49AD, click here and here for more information.So what, @ppsummersby? For example, the writers of the Gospels are unknown, and they don’t claim to be eyewitness accounts. @bob_hutchinson— NooYawk Atheist (@reasonandlogic) April 2, 2016
The book of Mark was not written till late 50's and early 60's and by then there were several other letters by Paul and there were two other gospels that came out at about the same time. The gospels of Mathew and Luke. The Gospels were written by those that were there. Here you can find evidence of when the manuscripts were written, these manuscripts are more reliable then any other historical manuscripts.
This is just plain wrong, all but one of the gospel writers were one of Jesus chosen disciples. We know who they were, there is only one new testament book that its author is unknown and that is the book of Hebrews, and many bible scholars and historians attribute the book to Paul, Apollos or Barnabas. The only gospel writer that wasn’t a member of the apostles, did a fact check and went out and sought after witnesses to compile his gospel.And Mark was written first, with the others expanding on or changing it. They disagree on major details. How@ppsummersby @bob_hutchinson— NooYawk Atheist (@reasonandlogic) April 2, 2016
While possible for Jesus to do this, these people were visited by Jesus after his death and resurrection before his ascension.500 witnesses, @ppsummersby, appear in one story told by Paul. Funny that none of the writers alive during Jesus’s time @touchinglivestv— NooYawk Atheist (@reasonandlogic) April 2, 2016
Paul states it as evidence
After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:6
Written in 54 AD these people were in fact witnesses
to the events outlined in the gospels, they were all people that had seen Jesus first alive, then after his death and resurrection.
Furthermore, I would point out that because the gospel
writers have differing accounts of the ministry of Jesus is not evidence against
them it is in fact evidence to support that they were written by people who
were there and wrote and remembered what they thought was important. I would
point out to that the accounts were written by people many years after the
events had taken place.
I will admit to not having the greatest memory even
after a year things become a little foggy. My point is that they got so much the same they all
might differ on the order of some events but they all agree that Jesus was a
real man and that he was hung on a cross and died for our salvation. They
all agree that he rose three days later and then ascended into the heavens.
What 'NooYawk Atheist' fails to realise is that the new testament is
not a claim, it is in fact the evidence given for God. It is a collection of eyewitness
accounts, and a record of what these fishermen and tax collectors did with the
knowledge that God came and lived among us.
Take into account the record of Saul of Tarsus, he had
it all; wealth, privilege, and was on the cusp of gaining power. He hated the
message of Jesus, he wanted to stamp it out. On the way to Damascus to stamp
out the message of Christ, he meets Jesus. The men he was travelling were not able to corroborate
his story, but now blind he proceeded to Damascus and he received his sight
from a man that was a follower of Jesus. Saul then changes his life completely
and starts preaching that Jesus is the risen son of God. A message up until then
he had killed people for believing. He dedicates the rest of his life to this
cause, he suffered from stoning, whipping, being beaten with rods, drowning
and being shipwrecked. He would not have suffered all this and given up all
that he had, if his meeting with Jesus was not real.
Three
times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked;
a night and a day I have been in the deep;
1 Corinthians 11:25
All but one of Jesus's original disciples
died a horrible death. These men would not have gone to their deaths for a lie
or a falsehood, they went knowing what they said was true.
Giving a defence for the hope that I have
I am still praying and believing that those who don't know Christ will come to know him.
I am still praying and believing that those who don't know Christ will come to know him.
Signing off
Peter
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